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Author Photo by: MagaaralTagalog
May 14 2021, 7:20pm CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
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Question: Where do you put your tounge for n, d, l, t, (e.t.c.), sounds when speaking Tagalog in a native Tagalog/Filipino accent? To me it sounds like native/advanced speakers put it further forward on the ridge of their tounge, behind their teeth, but maybe I am wrong. Here is a picture above to visualize my question. I want to sound more like a native speaker when I speak Tagalog.
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Author Photo Bituingmaykinang
May 14 2021, 7:40pm CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
I put it like on the first diagram whether I speak Tagalog or English. Didn't know tongue position mattered. Lol
 
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Author Photo PinoyTaj Badge: Supporter
May 14 2021, 9:13pm CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
Just listening will get you there , never bothered with this kind of stuff.
 
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May 14 2021, 9:15pm CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
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Author Photo repolyo Badge: Supporter
May 15 2021, 9:18am CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
To attempt an answer (while awaiting akosikoneho), not only position but aspiration is a component of their pronunciation. From A Tagalog Reference Grammar section 1.4 Voiceless stops : The Tagalog phonemes /p/. /t/, and /k/ differ from their English counterparts ... in several ways. In the first place, the English phonemes have ASPIRATED allophones which occur at the beginning of stressed syllables, while the Tagalog phonemes are UNASPIRATED in all positions.
In addition to the consistent absence of aspiration, two of the Tagalog stops, /t/ and /k/, differ from their English counterparts in point of articulation as well. Tagalog /t/ is dental. while English /t/ is alveolar. Tagalog /t/ is never voiced, regardless of its position in a word.
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From section 1.15 Voiced stops : Tagalog /b/, /d/, and /g/ are the voiced counterparts of /p/, /t/, and /k/ respectively, and have the same points of articulation. Just as in the case of the voiceless stops, two of the Tagalog voiced stops, /d/ and /g/, differ in point of articulation from the corresponding English phonemes. Tagalog /d/ is dental while English /d/ is alveolar. In final position, the voiced stops, like their voiceless counterparts, are either unreleased or nasally released.
From section 1.16 Nasals : Tagalog /n/ is dental, while English /n/ is alveolar.
From section 1.19 Lateral : Tagalog /I/ has two allophones: an alveolar lateral, pronounced with the tongue tip against the alveolar ridge, and a dental lateral, pronounced with the tongue tip against the inner surface of the upper teeth. The dental allophone occurs only after the dental stops /t/ and /d/, as in tatlo /tatloh/ 'three', kidlat /kidlat/ 'lightning'; the alveolar allophone occurs elsewhere.
Tagalog /I/, whether alveolar or denial, is of the type called CLEAR [l] , a label used for an [l] sound during which the blade and front of the tongue are raised toward the hard palate. American English /l/, on the other hand, is normally of the type called DARK [l] . a label used for an [l] sound during which the back of the tongue is raised toward the velum.
 
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Author Photo akosikoneho Badge: SupporterBadge: Serious SupporterBadge: VIP SupporterOfficial Tagalog.com Teacher Teacher
May 15 2021, 2:38pm CST ~ 1 year, 9 mos ago. 
The Otanes book says dental, but I suspect due to American influence some speakers have alveolar positions. Unaspirated is the norm, but you do hear some aspirated stops from anglicized speakers.
 
Edit: I should read more, Repolyo posted a longer take on it that says what I said in more detail.
 
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Author Photo thecliffedge
Dec 12 2022, 7:18am CST ~ 1 mo., 27 days ago. 
@repolyo wow wow wow. this message is incredibly helpful, thank you
 
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